Into the Fire

Passionate thoughts about the world of writing and the Power of God

 

There’s something about women. If they’re obnoxious, they seem more obnoxious than men. If they’re hardened in their character, they seem more conniving than men. If they cuss and swear, it’s more of an assault to the ears and souls than when a man uses the same words. Why is that?

 

I realize some of you probably don’t feel this way. However, I can remember feeling this way since I was in high school and worked at summer jobs with various women. I once worked in a credit department with all women of various ages. Our boss was a man with a hierarchy of women beneath him. Mostly what I did was file, record transactions on the microfiche (there’s an ancient beast for ya), and okay credit transactions anonymously via telephone by giving a number after checking the credit history of the user. As you might discern: BORING.

 

So I decided to lighten things up a bit. The cardinal rule in that office was to be sure that no staples remained in the paperwork that had to be filmed in the microfiche. Well . . . of course staples were a pain to remove and a lot of them showed up holding together pieces of paper that had to be filmed individually. I thought I’d make a little light-hearted reminder noting the lax practices of taking out those bothersome staples. I wrote it with one or two co-conspirators, signed it “The Mad Filmer” and managed to get several copies placed on multiple desks. All I remember about what I wrote was that it was brief and an attempt at reasonable humor.

 

Um. One of the top women couldn’t find any “funny” in it. Instead she interpreted it as funny business which irritated her no end. Hey, it wasn’t my rule. My conspirators and I never owned up to who wrote and distributed the notes, and we never attempted to bring humor into that pit of a business office ever again. Needless to say, there were few smiles and not much fun, and it wasn’t a favorite summer job—especially because of the women. Catty, unhappy, and basically unpleasant. Not to mention the unspoken rivalry between the credit office women and the executive secretaries just so many feet away on that same floor.

 

Women can be vicious, malevolent, manipulative, and coarse. But then others can be genuine, good leaders, fair-minded, and kind. I’ve worked for both kinds of women.

 

Honestly, I think it’s a spiritual matter that goes all the way back to the garden. That desire to “rule” over a man innate in the transformed sin-nature.

 

Anyone else feel like I do about the female gender?

 

Oh, God. Help me to be who you want me to be. To push back at the sin nature through the power of your Spirit. In the Name of Jesus, Amen.  

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14 responses to “Why is it . . . ?”

  1. Normandie Avatar

    Well, I can’t wait to read the comments on this one, O ye of like mind.

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  2. Brenda Avatar
    Brenda

    This has been my observation as well. As you say, there are also kind gentle women, but it feels like the majority fall into the category you describe.
    The other thing that women do much more than men (with some exception) is talk. A lot. Regular racket boxes.
    That’s why I prefer men even in fiction, and struggle with the fact that in the CBA market, a very tiny percentage of books are written with a male protag. Makes me nuts! Perhaps its the same way in general market, I don’t know. I don’t read general market fiction.
    As for the work situation, I work with 98% women. I get along with everyone, but I also limit my interaction. I do not form friendships through the workplace, I don’t go hang out at a club after, etc. I just prefer to go home to blessed peace and quiet.

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  3. Nicole Avatar

    Normandie: ;+)
    Brenda, as is fitting, the place where I worked with the decent women was my last job at a Christian bookstore. The manager was fair and kind, the employees walked their talk. The best small group of ladies I’ve ever had the pleasure to work with.
    But other places throughout my life women have been . . . difficult. It’s a shame really. Sometimes we fit the stereotype. Meow.

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  4. Brenda Avatar
    Brenda

    Speaking of the meow factor, it’s no coincidence that in my first couple novels, I killed off the woman. *-)

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  5. Nicole Avatar

    Ha!
    I’m with you, Brenda. I’ve got a lot of male protagonists and strong male characters (good and bad) in my work. So many writers make their women whiny and weak–as if that somehow makes them more feminine. Gag me.

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  6. Kristen Torres-Toro Avatar

    Definitely a great observation!
    Something I know about myself and am SO CAREFUL about is the female ability to manipulate. Especially being a Southerner (which makes passive aggression so ingrained). I do my best to not use either of those two devices… but it definitely takes conscious effort.

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  7. Jessica Thomas Avatar

    To be fair, men have their own share of uniquely annoying behaviors…such as…general tendency to internalize personal problems rather than work through them (say…like with a counselor), general tendency to disregard physical symptoms while continuing the unhealthy behaviors that are causing them. While we’re at it, overall disregard for health…preferring to think they can do anything to themselves and still remain invincible.
    I’ve found men easier to befriend in the workplace, but my husband informed me awhile back that anytime a woman talks to a guy, he thinks she’s flirting with him. Hmmm.
    Men definitely tend to be more fun, and are MUCH easier to joke with. I tend not to joke with the women because, like you pointed out, you just never know when you will hit a sensitive nerve. It’s not worth the effort.
    In general, I prefer a female boss though, because I want my boss to understand female hormones, and also to understand why at least twice a year, I end up bawling at work for one reason or another. I just bawl, get it over with, and don’t have to bother explaining myself because she’s been there done that.

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  8. Dayle Avatar

    Whew! Thanks, Nicole.
    I’m glad I didn’t have to say any of this. I have heard this same sentiment from past girlfriends and girl friends.
    I have a theory, but I’m not stepping into that Vietnam.

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  9. Nicole Avatar

    Kristen, you’re a catch, Girl. To recognize and control such tactics makes you a prize.
    Jess, alright now. Easy girl. This is about women. I’m not taking on the men right now. I would agree with your husband to a point, but it definitely depends on the man’s ego. I know men who appreciate talking to women who don’t want something from them other than good conversation about topics they like. And they don’t consider it flirting. Bosses? I’d favor men. Tend to be fairer. Tend being the operative word.
    Dayle: Chicken! C’mon now. Make it interesting.

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  10. Sandi Rog Avatar

    What a great topic, Nicole. I definitely agree with you and have witnessed the SAME in women.
    I also write mostly from a male pov in my books. In fact, the book I’m working on right now is predominately male. I believe twenty-five percent of it is in the female pov. I’ve often wondered why I prefer to write from the male pov. They’re just more interesting, I guess.
    And yes, I always preferred male teachers as a kid, and now, male bosses.
    In fact, here’s a topic for ya. Take some time to listen to commercials, sitcoms, talk shows, etc. Listen to how often women are putting down men. If men talked that way about women, they’d have hell to pay. It’s amazing how we belittle our men in society. It’s SAD. I want our men to be strong, to be fearless leaders, to protect us women. And all we do is run them in the ground!

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  11. Nicole Avatar

    I think it’s important to appreciate the male of the species 😉 for who they are in our writing. It’s not easy for women to get inside the heads of men–we don’t think like they do. However, with careful observation and thoughtful conversations, usually we see they’re more straightforward than women–even without intending to be.
    Trying to write those wonderfully flawed heroes is a welcome challenge.
    And isn’t there always a double standard? And a lot of women who’d like to neuter men.

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  12. Brenda Anderson Avatar

    What an interesting topic. Like so many above, my favorite books are written by men. I think part of it’s because all too often women get so mushy in their writing, the tingles at first touch, & that’s an instant turn off for me. As far as books from the female perspective, I’ve actually found that many writers try to make the heroine too strong & she comes off as inauthentic.
    I love stories from the male point of view & that’s what I write the best, probably because I grew up with (4) brothers. Unfortunately, I’ve been rejected many times because I write from the male perspective & have been told women want to read books about women, not men. Huh? I still can’t quite grasp that.
    I found Sandi Rog’s comments interesting. I’ve often thought the same thing. Shows & commercials are continuously putting men down as if that makes women stronger. I don’t get it.
    Great topic, Nicole.

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  13. Brenda Avatar
    Brenda

    I agree with Brenda (I’m agreeing with myself. *-) I often times find the women written too strong in fiction–like they feel the need to make the female lead a Rambo or something. Not that there aren’t strong women, contemporary or historical, but it has the same effect as wearing perfume too strong–you want to gag.

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  14. Nicole Avatar

    Good points, Brendas. 😉 Too strong, arrogant, too weak, whiny: no thanks. I think a great example of just the right amount of strength and femininity is Raleigh Harmon in Sibella Giorello’s books (The Stones Cry Out, etc.). Love that character.

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